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what's up everybody happy Thursday

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evening

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thanks for joining

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um Owen in Ohio

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thanks for hanging out

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the smoke is bad where I am too kind of

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stinks I don't like it uh Deanna what's

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up how are you Andres what's going on

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David Lowry what's up

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um Jose went to bed awesome

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hope everybody is doing well

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um I'm just here to kind of introduce

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the interview uh I was uh very fortunate

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to have uh Chrissy uh Newton on the show

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we had a very nice talk and conversation

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enjoy the talk

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peace

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tonight we go after a fantastic story

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thank you

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if you saw in our hair is not the only

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one to come forward according to Rubio

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said I find most of these people at some

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point or maybe even currently have held

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very high experiences in high positions

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within our government we're definitely

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not alone absolutely in the data points

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you guys are the debrief at least

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um as

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coming to the scene a couple of years

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ago with a pretty big article about fast

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tracks and you had some pretty big

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quotes coming out of that as far as

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possibly the technology they're seeing

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is of non-human origin

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and so it's interesting to see that you

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know we're kind of being told the same

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things throughout the the last few years

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so I'm curious

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as far as what you think

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why is the David grush story different

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and I've thought about

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over story and where we started and

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where we are now

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I think that there's there's some

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difference because we do have some high

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high intelligence officials reporting

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and saying that this is happening we're

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talking about you know our reporting is

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not Pilots uh but we know that Leslie

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and Ralph were based on Pilots so it's a

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little bit different I think it's also

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like it's been about two and a half

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years almost three years since that

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story is released and we've evolved so

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much because when that story first came

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out there was no politics around the

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story and now we have lots of it which

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is unbelievable so I think those stories

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help Propel where we are today

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especially with the debrief right and we

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cover a whole bunch of things as you

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know it's not just UFOs from an academic

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sense it's science technology we talk

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about physics a lot uh we talk about mad

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science so we'll have like uh specific

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theories that people might think are

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Fringe theories but are actually being

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worked on for example uh Quantum Drive

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like our story Quantum Drive is one of

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them that we're working on but um oh my

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everybody knows working on warp drive

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technology so there's just so much

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attack that's happening in the world

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that we focus on and I think it relates

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back to uaps because the more that we

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work on those theories the closer that

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answering what's going on so I think

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there's a beautiful Synergy in what we

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do in the debrief but for your question

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yeah I think we've you know wasn't

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even though it's still you know both

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bipartisan it's becoming more political

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that that's a good point and that's

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contemplated uh as we can see it it's

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almost as if Republicans are taking this

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does still seem to have a sense of uh

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bipartisanship what do you relate that

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to why do you think that's the case

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that's a great question a lot of people

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on my show think I've had this in the

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comments that when I interviewed Tim

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Burchette or other political figures uh

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and talked about politics with Gary Dole

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and I did as well before uh we we talked

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about the the Republican side and the

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Democrat side and what his thoughts were

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topic I think you should say say is a

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bipartisan topic for sure but what's

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happening is we're seeing the media

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starting to do that the media is

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creating that function of left and right

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um and sometimes it's intentional

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sometimes I'm not I don't think it's a

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function of creating polarization but I

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know for example from NBC I've heard

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along with not specifically sure about

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CNN but what I've heard from NBC is that

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then NBC won't pick it up as an

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exclusive so we're seeing that

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polarization through media and as a PR

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person you know firsthand I'm hearing it

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internally from those agencies so that's

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the scary part so when the media decides

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to polarize then politicians will attach

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themselves to those polarized outlets

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and then it becomes more polarized

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within the political space due to Media

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separation if media would decide to

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share stories collectively in the heart

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of world journalism then we wouldn't

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have this issue I think but media is is

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that function but you know what I'm

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really proud to see though is that

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politicians are not letting its media

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separate them yet and I think that's

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really lovely to see but I do see that

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Republicans are more open to have these

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conversations than Democrats but at some

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point in time I think the Democrats will

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have a conversation with it too it just

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depends on who wants to lead that

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narrative within that political critical

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space so and I think in the past we've

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seen other we've seen other presidents

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and and other Democrats that have talked

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about uaps and they're not scared to

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we're just we'll see and I think when

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that will come closer to election time

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and you know and closer to when all

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these whistleblowers start coming out

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you know CNN's gonna serve to have a

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conversation or NBC at some point is

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going to have to have a narrative to it

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and if they don't then that's when I

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would harp on them and say why aren't

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you doing this right right yeah no

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that's that's a great Point attaching it

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to the media and how that's great

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starting to become political a little

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bit because if you do align the amount

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of press this topic gets uh with

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Democrats or liberals

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and vice versa it totally coincides so

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so that that that's pretty great Insight

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they're not allowing it to and I think

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if it is what it's described to be as

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far as the situation and crafts and all

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um yeah they're gonna have to come on

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board eventually but I remember thinking

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the same thing when Tucker Carlson was

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like interviewing somebody about like

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UFO injuries and that was a big story

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and CNN wouldn't take it and I remember

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thinking then they're not gonna do this

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because Tucker Carlson did it well I've

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heard specifically it's true and I've

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heard specifically

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directly I won't say who but I've heard

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from them saying well certain people

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have been on that show we won't be

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taking it at all now and we won't take

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it on any of our properties related to

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FEC and to me it's it's ridiculous and

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it's not fair but that's the media

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landscape within all media you know I'm

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Canadian too so even in the Canadian

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media space it's the same way if one

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not report it I think that's bad

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journalism we're actually not as bad I

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would say them specific media that we do

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share but if we're going to give an

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exclusive to one Outlet let's this is

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what we do as PR people then we wouldn't

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give the exclusive they would report it

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later but we do see sharing of

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information there's some media Outlets

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that at CBC and I'll say that I write

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will not collaborate with the debrief

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it's not because of us they just don't

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collaborate with any other news agency

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interesting when I'm seating stories

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under embargo to other news agencies to

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follow us and to help co-break a story

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because that's part of my job they don't

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want to do it in Canada because it's

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against what they do and they think it's

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mandate they're also a government agency

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a news agency right it's attached to the

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government it's funded by the government

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uh well it's supposed to be more for the

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civilians so that's probably why so I do

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um and they will pick up stories but

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their collaboration is not as strong and

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and that happens and yeah and we see it

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now exactly with with American Media and

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it's not that it's you know uh ever okay

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but you know it's fine if you want to do

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that somewhere else but with like

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life-changing possibly information it's

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like yeah like let's just drop the crap

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all right let's grow up here and try to

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you know evolve as as human beings but

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um yeah and you know be kind of

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frustrating no human wants that

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polarization you know I don't think the

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average person wants to be separated

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through their fellow civilians based on

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this story or anything else like I just

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don't think they do and we see that as a

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mechanism of business and I would even

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say it's media yeah I'd say it's a

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mechanism of true corporate consumption

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and great that's really what drives that

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yeah and when media became more of a

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business than journalism it's probably

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so how is the how's the feedback been

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um the the debrief uh released uh the

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David grush piece as the website crashed

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from all the traffic

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comments all over the board I see some

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kind of comments that seem very

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uneducated but it's dangerous because

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they're from kind of higher status

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people where they say you know like you

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guys are just an alien website which is

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so ridiculous but I'm hoping you get

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more educated positive reinforcement

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than that yeah if they don't know our

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media then don't read it that's their

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own ignorance and I would say it's

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ironic that they're saying that because

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they obviously didn't do their own due

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diligence and look at what we cover so

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you know the joke's on them then if

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that's the case but for us I would say

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it's been a mixed bag I would say more

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so in a public relations context when we

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look at stories like this that we've you

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you know outside the debrief of my own

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company we look at something to be

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negative so we've seen that we've had a

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about us but majority of the staff has

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been positive and balanced which is

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really great they know that we're

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Distributing the story we have fact

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checked it you know we reported on the

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reporting and nobody ever does that so

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that's something that we show

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transparency because the New York Times

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The Washington Post they never explain

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how they do things and we will never

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release the source but we can explain to

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a degree how we ended up betting all

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this material because we did outside of

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Leslie and Ralph we've added our own so

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I think that stands within its own and

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then I also interviewed Leslie and Ralph

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about their own reporting and answered

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some questions that people still had

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when when Ross and news Nation decided

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to come out with their piece with

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reporting that we didn't have so I think

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it's been been pretty good I think they

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know that we're the distributor through

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the the message and that if something

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was negative about the story we're happy

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then to report the facts that that shake

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rush comes out and he's those claims are

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fake or false or it becomes

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misinformation down the road we will

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report that too you know we're a

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non-biased news Outlet that's what we do

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and we spread hopefully non-biased

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opinions or sort of non-biased uh news

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that's not opinions so that's what we're

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doing and I think we've done a fairly

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good job at it but you know you're not

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you can't win everybody we're not pizza

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so not even Pizza can do that for for

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whatever reason depending the toppings

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on it but yeah exactly some people don't

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like pineapple I do but you know I do

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too I do too and we're gonna get a lot

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you know you brought up um you do first

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of all you do a great job and everybody

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should follow you and you know your

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YouTube interviews a lot of them are on

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the debrief I really appreciate how you

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um

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you know handle various topics

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um you know all the way from

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interviewing Ralph Blumenthal to doing

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more scientific topics ask Dr chance I

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let I like that stuff and I like that

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you're not pigeonholing yourself to to

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any one thing or another but you're

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exploring and I think that's what we

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should do as humans intellectually

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speaking so I appreciate that you're

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providing that Medium but that being

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said about your interview uh with Ralph

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and Leslie what were your takeaways from

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that interview you know after having

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read their piece and then getting the

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chance to speak with them what stuck up

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to you

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thank you for saying that before today I

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really appreciate that you acknowledge

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that so thank you because not everybody

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does at times so thank you for that uh

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things I think that stuck out for me was

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initially the difference in reporting

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for sure that was something that I

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wanted to at least help focus on and you

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know Leslie got to the she cleared up

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quicker than I was gonna get down

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because I first you know talked about

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the two different stories and then she

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went right into it and said like hold on

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we want to stay away from this so that's

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her own conversation which had she had

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with grush and I'm glad that she did

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clarify that she didn't know too much

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about that or knew anything about that

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at all

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um so I thought that was very

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interesting along with the potentially

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asking questions like could this just be

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disinformation and you know how they

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vetted along with stuff like what was

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the techniques that they they looked at

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through vetting and also realizing that

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he was under oath like I think all the

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stuff that they've put forward is a very

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strong price uh for grush and I thought

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that was wonderful along with then them

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talking about the process of vetting

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this material so that they could go

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forward to the media with the government

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so I see this like Duality within the

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government which we hear all the time

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about this topic we're actually seeing

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that the government parts of the

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government is saying let this go forward

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yes and other parts are saying

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um you know no so

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you know I've been saying this in other

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interviews too in recent uh weeks you

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know or that last week I should say I

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think that some cases we look at

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this potentially could be disinformation

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and I know that everybody's not going to

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like that when I say but history does

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repeat itself and we have to be mindful

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of that it doesn't mean that everything

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Russia says because there are claims and

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it's what people have told him so it is

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you know second hand information and we

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still need to see the receipts so we

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have to be mindful that part of it or

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potentially even one story of it could

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be disinformation we've seen that

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through the Condon report we've seen it

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through the Robinson panel we've seen

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this through multiple history moments

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where disinformation was put into the

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topic to discredit UFOs or anything

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related to this so I think it's possible

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that we need to be open-minded because I

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don't think we will hopefully find out

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you know within the next five to ten

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years I I really do hope but we've seen

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in history that it's taken 20 to 30

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years like they haven't even released

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the JFK files yet so you know and most

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of those people are gone almost all of

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them so so we don't know but the thing

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with happening with Congress right now

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potentially gresh going forward and

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speaking and hearing that I've recently

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heard

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you know Congress putting this forward

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that might you know escalate it to move

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quicker and so we might get some more

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answers quicker than we would years ago

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that's possible and I'm really hopeful

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for that but I still think it's going to

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take time you know and I'm probably

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going to be old and I think not to be

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pessimistic and try to be more realistic

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I hope that word I hope I'm not old by

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the time we find out I hope that we get

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better answers and if we do I can't

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believe I'm living in this world if

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that's yeah

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I mean as odd as it sounds and I keep

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hearing different people use this word

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including garage Fantastical that's

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Fantastical as this sounds

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um the world is kind of becoming that

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sort of place where there's so much

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going on right now whether it be like

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you know World War III possibilities or

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you know virtual uh reality artificial

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intelligence everything in it you know

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you'll describe this really well on your

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channel when you do things that things

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are just kind of coming together at the

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same time so it almost seems like if

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you know the the balloon the disclosure

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balloon was ever gonna pop now would

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probably be the time

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and the misinformation thing it's like

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that's the only other option right like

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if it's not real then somebody's lying

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and then why would they lie well it's be

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on purpose to misinform somebody but

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would you go as far as letting someone

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you know testify to Congress and IG

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investigations or that's crazy

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that's so extreme right oh it's so hyper

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legal but it was you know but back I

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know it doesn't mean that they don't do

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a legal things well yeah I think it's

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CIA MK Ultra that stuff was nasty that

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was terrible oh yeah yeah like gosh like

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I'd say 50 50 percent chance that this

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could be a lot right I think that's fair

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to look at that or parts of it are a lie

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what we see the smartest ways of

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misinformation is or disinformation is

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putting in you know 10 of the truth and

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then the rest of it is lies and then you

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have to figure out what it is so a

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couple things that he's been told could

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potentially be

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false you know and a part of it could be

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true so it just depends maybe they don't

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have dead pilot bodies you know maybe

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they have you know reversed crash

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engineering you know material

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um so like there there's all the

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possibilities I think we have to wait

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and see but it's it is a we are in a

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Fantastical weird exciting

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um confusing time you know I think when

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we look back in this generation of like

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between 2020 and and now when we started

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probably up between 2020 and 2030 you

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know will be in the beginning the midst

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of like clearing up people that are

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talking about mental health and like you

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know trying to get things right and and

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back to civil rights and fighting for

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people's you know voice and freedom and

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championing truth and transparency

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through all different degrees throughout

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culture it's not even just the UFO topic

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um Oneness understanding so I think

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we're in the beginning of that and

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hopefully by 2030 will be in a better

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place with all of it and shift but I

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think when we look back I always laugh

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and remember I don't know if you ever

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watched like CNN CNN when it does like

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through the decades I always think in my

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life if CNN keeps doing those they'll be

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like oh I wonder what like 2020 is going

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to look like you know and what they're

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going to recap you know by the time I'm

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20 we're in 2040 I'd be like oh I

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remember 2020. it was a crazy time and

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like my outfit was so ridiculous yeah I

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know what was I thinking like exactly

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exactly so like we're always going to do

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that right I'll look at my podcast and

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be like what were you thinking yeah I do

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that yeah or songs I made like a long

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time ago I'm like oh that was bad

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what was I like what was going on in my

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life so like you know or what was I

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learning like or I was changing and

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evolving as a person too so I think this

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topic we'll have similar views like I

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look back at like Lu Elizondo stuff now

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and I'm like wow so interesting when he

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first came came forward and what that

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meant and where we are today and what he

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knew then too so what else does he know

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that's the other question I guess yeah

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well but I would uh I mean I'm just

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guessing but it kind of seems like uh

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this is all part of the same type of

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maybe process from 2017 you know it

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seems definitely kind of the same but

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further along like Luke could only say

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like it's my opinion or maybe or I think

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we have exotic material or like kind of

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loose words direct but you know with

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wiggler room and then you know they let

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that marinade for a couple years and

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sent out garage and boom

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so it's just um if I feel like we're

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gonna my personal feeling is we're gonna

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find out some sort of Truth uh sooner

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than later probably this year in when I

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say truth I mean what the deal is with

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this stuff and why these rumors have

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persisted for so long I feel like

546
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:14,700
there's going to be a push comes to

547
00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:17,160
shove and that doesn't mean that they're

548
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:18,900
gonna have all these spacecraft and

549
00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:21,780
bodies it could mean that it was a

550
00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:23,240
legacy

551
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:25,799
bullcrap cover-up program that went up

552
00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:28,620
for 80 years it could be anything but I

553
00:21:33,289 --> 00:21:31,320
feel like whatever the truth is here is

554
00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:33,299
is going to be shown soon this year

555
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,860
because nobody wants to waste their time

556
00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:36,720
especially right now at Senate Congress

557
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:38,580
so if they're going to do it they're

558
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:40,020
going to do it and be like let's get

559
00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:41,520
this done and over with we don't have

560
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:44,100
time for this you know right and will we

561
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,200
believe it though you know I think if we

562
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,780
go either way people you know some

563
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:50,880
people are going to say you know this

564
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,000
was a BS you know secret campaign or

565
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,919
coverage story that we use and people

566
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:57,780
were like I don't believe that and the

567
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:59,100
other group's gonna be like well we have

568
00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:00,600
dead pilot bodies and then a whole other

569
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:01,980
groups can be like we don't believe that

570
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,620
either so I think we need to evidence

571
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,200
well you do and I think that's it's like

572
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:09,659
show the receipts but when that evidence

573
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:11,400
comes forward

574
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:16,080
wow like if that does yeah wow I don't

575
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,600
even know what would happen I I don't

576
00:22:23,289 --> 00:22:20,940
you know a lot of our shows will change

577
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,299
that's for sure yeah

578
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,120
news will change uh culture will change

579
00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:29,220
how people view themselves and where

580
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:31,320
they Place themselves in this world will

581
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:34,500
change their cultural understanding uh

582
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,500
their spiritual or religious uh might

583
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:39,480
change and there might be another group

584
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:41,940
of people that are like you know sure

585
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:44,100
and walk away and be like okay it

586
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,960
doesn't really affect me I'm not

587
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:48,179
surprised you know and for me I'll just

588
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:49,380
stop going to work and just keep

589
00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:51,000
podcasting I'll go on a beach and

590
00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:52,100
podcast

591
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:55,559
I'm ready for this yeah well I think a

592
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,960
part of me is you know realizes and like

593
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:59,280
and I always say this you know I'm like

594
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,320
why do I work I'm like if this is the

595
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,419
case and everyone's been lying for 80 or

596
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,240
90 years about this then what else are

597
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,919
they lying about and and what does that

598
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,080
mean to to my context and what I

599
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,600
contribute to this world so I always say

600
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,640
like why am I not doing it now and I try

601
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:17,280
to I live my life like that but I think

602
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:18,780
if anything it's going to push myself

603
00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:20,760
and a lot of other people to potentially

604
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:23,000
go in other directions in their lives

605
00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:25,500
and that's not a bad thing but it's

606
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,080
going to be a very interesting

607
00:23:31,549 --> 00:23:29,460
self-discovery of what it means to be

608
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:31,559
who you are in this world and how you

609
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:34,380
act within that space so yeah that's a

610
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,539
really that's a really deep place to go

611
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,760
like I think about that kind of often

612
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:41,220
like um the way the world's set up and

613
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:44,340
why are we forced into this world to

614
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,100
make money in order to buy this house

615
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,679
and have this car and spend your entire

616
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:51,419
life doing something you don't really

617
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,880
enjoy you know because you have to have

618
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,799
this house and other things it's not

619
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,780
easy to just break off of that and do

620
00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:59,520
whatever you want and nobody really can

621
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:01,799
for the most part so if something like

622
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,480
that pops up it might kind of be that um

623
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,360
shot of adrenaline to wake up from from

624
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:11,760
this routine that everybody's in because

625
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:14,100
to me I don't think it's very natural

626
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:19,080
you know so well systems will crash I

627
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:20,760
think a lot of you know internal

628
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:22,980
corporate systems and structures will

629
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,320
crash to a degree

630
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,720
um or they will have to evolve very

631
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:29,700
quickly for people that will choose but

632
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:31,080
I think we're already seeing like the

633
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:31,860
Gen

634
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:35,039
um Z you know is that uh Zed I always

635
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:36,200
laughs

636
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,460
yeah they always say that a boomer term

637
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,919
they call it I think uh gen Z or gen Zed

638
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,679
anyway uh so if I saw that on like a on

639
00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:46,200
a meme but I think that they're already

640
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,419
kind of living that and embodying it to

641
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,159
a degree I think that they're like you

642
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,740
know what I just gonna I why am I

643
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:55,440
working so hard like my parents did or

644
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:57,960
you know siblings of mine or whoever may

645
00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,600
be relatives friends people I know or

646
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:02,280
watch this other generation including

647
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:04,740
like our generation work so bloody hard

648
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,400
so for me I I do see that and I relate

649
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,919
to it to a degree but I yeah it will be

650
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:12,179
interesting to see where the that

651
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,100
economically the world goes and shifts

652
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,679
but that might take time too uh you know

653
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:19,200
I think people looking at this topic you

654
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:20,159
know you're going to have a group of

655
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,480
people that for sure are going to be

656
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,700
like whoa like and instantly their

657
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,440
paradigm shift is going to change

658
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,480
rapidly and then there's going to be

659
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:29,520
that slow trickle of other people that

660
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,900
are really going to catch up and get

661
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:33,059
used to it and and then have to digest

662
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,740
this once it gets into their communities

663
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,020
we live in a Counter Culture and we talk

664
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:38,640
about it and Surround ourselves in it

665
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,120
every day so it's we found ourselves to

666
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,220
be able to communicate with people with

667
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,500
this topic and share ideas like we're

668
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,140
doing now but a lot of people don't have

669
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,400
that they don't even have it for

670
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:52,919
anything in their life let alone you

671
00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:56,700
know a topic around like the UFOs they

672
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:57,900
don't even have it with their friends or

673
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,940
their family so

674
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:01,919
you know they might come to places like

675
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,919
UFO communities or they might decide to

676
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:07,200
um sorry my eyelash here or they might

677
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:10,140
decide to take a while to to like to

678
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:12,299
catch up to this and decide to wait

679
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,740
until their friends and family become

680
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,480
part of this topic or people that they

681
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,520
know and trust and then they dive into

682
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:19,919
it like I you know I don't know I to me

683
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,179
that's the really that's really

684
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:23,039
interesting I care about Debbie down the

685
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,600
road you know

686
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,580
um because I think Debbie is the person

687
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,100
that um has to ingrain this into who she

688
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:31,200
is I obviously believe that evidence and

689
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,059
materials and science is just important

690
00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:35,039
but there are another group of

691
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,659
researchers and that people need to

692
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,760
focus on culture and humans and how

693
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:40,740
people digest this and bring it into

694
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:43,380
their lives yeah big questions big

695
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,460
questions

696
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,460
um yeah and it's you know I enjoy

697
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,100
speculating but also

698
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,799
you know it I can only go so far like

699
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:54,419
one of my pet peeves in the UFO

700
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:56,520
Community is just the cart is in front

701
00:27:01,789 --> 00:26:59,159
of the horse the whole freaking time you

702
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,799
know like we can't even know we don't

703
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,559
even prove have proof yet that like

704
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:07,020
anything exists that we can prove you

705
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,419
know um and we're already talking about

706
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,960
like you know 1800 different beings and

707
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,400
dimensions and all that kind of stuff

708
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,220
and it's fun to imagine that stuff but

709
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,200
at the end of the day it's like man we

710
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,480
we gotta take one step at a time here

711
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,720
you know I agree I agree because I know

712
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,000
you know we're so instantly like aliens

713
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,740
you know like people are like and I've

714
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:30,960
seen something and it was emotional you

715
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,380
know but I can't attach that to one

716
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,299
specific thing because I just don't know

717
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,320
you know so what was your sighting

718
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,900
um my sighting was well it's kind of the

719
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,880
reason I'm here pretty much but um

720
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,279
happened towards the beginning of fall

721
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:49,380
2020

722
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:52,919
um and or late summer in

723
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:55,620
who's at the end of coronavirus or at

724
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,679
the heat of coronavirus and um I was

725
00:28:02,529 --> 00:28:00,659
gonna bowl with my dad in a bowling

726
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:02,539
league and

727
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:06,120
[\h__\h] went down because of like masks and

728
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:09,659
he was older and whatever the day before

729
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:12,900
that I saw like a big sideways teardrop

730
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:15,000
maybe like 40 feet above my head about

731
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,960
like

732
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,059
maybe this big I don't know if you can

733
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,299
see that it with a slight curve and like

734
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:23,700
a plasma type body with like a border to

735
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:25,500
it that seemed like electric or alive

736
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,200
and it just came in and out and the next

737
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,240
day I have that uh kind of argument

738
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,520
thing with my dad a couple days later

739
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,380
and I don't know what the exact days are

740
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:36,000
unfortunately because this is all very

741
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,279
unexpected took me a while to even

742
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,600
processed that it was anything

743
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,760
substantial

744
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:43,919
um about a couple days after that I'm

745
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,980
outside in my backyard again and as if a

746
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,840
light shoots over my shoulder and I just

747
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,760
felt like if I kept looking where that

748
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:52,740
light went that I was going to see the

749
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,820
same thing

750
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,679
that I saw a couple days ago and sure

751
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,039
enough the same like material this time

752
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,620
was like a basketball size

753
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,600
um but it was made of like that same

754
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:05,940
plasma Dusty material with the Border

755
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:08,460
electric border around it uh in and out

756
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,880
size of a basketball and the weird thing

757
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,039
about it is that argument I got in with

758
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,559
my dad I had a dream about that same

759
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,419
thing happening like I don't know maybe

760
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,600
five years before that so like all this

761
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:23,279
stuff was like converging at the same

762
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,240
time

763
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,600
so it was and never again you know that

764
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:29,820
was a couple years ago so I don't know

765
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:32,279
what it was you know uh well let's see

766
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:36,600
I'm 39 now so 37. interesting I'm like

767
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,760
they they always say with like men and

768
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,559
women want to hear about stuff like

769
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,179
anything like we would you know I don't

770
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,340
really call UFOs paranormal anymore but

771
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,980
you know less of a term if experiencing

772
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,240
something like that they always say it

773
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:49,860
happens with people and different men

774
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:52,679
and women at different ages

775
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,419
um sometimes men can happen things in

776
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,220
their younger ages and then women older

777
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:59,220
or it might be vice versa but or the

778
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,659
other way around

779
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,760
um but yeah I've heard that and it

780
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,799
sometimes it deals with your age

781
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,840
um and you're in potentially gender but

782
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:08,520
I know which is wild but that's amazing

783
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,140
when you said it was transparent though

784
00:30:14,409 --> 00:30:12,840
like it was a plasma when you say plasma

785
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:14,419
what does the plasma look like too

786
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,159
that's like I don't know what to really

787
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,500
say like I've looked up like plasma

788
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,960
experiments like you know in Gyros and

789
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:24,600
stuff like that it doesn't no no it's

790
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,500
like a thick white fog Cloud kind of

791
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:30,899
thing and it was just like constantly in

792
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:32,520
motion and moving around on the inside

793
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:36,899
there's a really really dense like cloud

794
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:40,740
or something smoke maybe or something

795
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:43,799
um basketball size so

796
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,740
I don't know it was just that silver

797
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:48,960
electric border around it like you know

798
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,440
when people are describing these crafts

799
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:54,600
sometimes and they say like

800
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,179
they'll have like a plasma sheath around

801
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,279
it because it needs that to go that fast

802
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,320
or whatever like

803
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,020
I think like well that could be what

804
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:06,000
that looks like but I you know I didn't

805
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,179
see a ship so I have no idea but it was

806
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,159
just uh

807
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,320
yeah it was like maybe the one was like

808
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,419
size of a basketball the other one was

809
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,700
yeah like this big

810
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,740
it's just weird and the weird thing

811
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,320
about the the the first one is you know

812
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:24,240
you think maybe a meteorite or something

813
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,659
I was way too close in detail for that

814
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,000
to be the case but like the curve it had

815
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:32,580
on the tail made it seem like it came

816
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,700
upwards and down you know so this is

817
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,980
super weird and it was just gone like in

818
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,380
and out of a dimension or something but

819
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,020
yeah I don't really talk about it that

820
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,260
much so I may edit this out

821
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,240
that's okay that's fair I'm just curious

822
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:49,440
I'm like

823
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:51,539
like I

824
00:31:58,510 --> 00:31:55,140
I no no yeah because I I find the plasma

825
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,520
descriptions like really interesting

826
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,720
like or the like the cloaking

827
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,899
conversation too I believe it was uh

828
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,360
with a column color hair at Skinwalker I

829
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:07,919
think it was column color hair that

830
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:10,260
ended up seeing the tiny little like

831
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,559
craft thing when they were in on the on

832
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,360
the ground somewhere I think he was in

833
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,279
one of the the houses or the bunkers

834
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:19,440
whatever you call it and he said that

835
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,380
like this little tiny ship thing like

836
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,080
like went by him I know and it was so

837
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,039
tiny yeah and it's weird yeah like the

838
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,559
way he describes it is just and nobody

839
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,140
else saw it and he did and you know that

840
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,299
was his like weird paranormal experience

841
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,220
he had on it but it's so similar like

842
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,340
the sizes and the shades I've had people

843
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,740
in Kitchener Waterloo uh that know my

844
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,140
father have sent me images of like

845
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,760
things that are happening in their house

846
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,340
like that I've saved on you know on

847
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,220
drives uh typically just myself just to

848
00:32:57,649 --> 00:32:55,860
collect the material right save it for

849
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,659
them save it who knows what it means

850
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,279
down in the future

851
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,720
um and who knows if it's a light trick

852
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:02,520
or whatever it may be but there's like

853
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:04,620
tons of like orb stuff that's going on

854
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:05,940
in somebody I know his house in

855
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,039
Kitchener Waterloo and he always sends

856
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:10,500
me as like night camera shots and it's

857
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,500
wild like it's just yeah it's really

858
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,179
really well I find that maybe super

859
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:17,399
interesting yeah maybe maybe these

860
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:19,260
things are are smaller than we think you

861
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,000
know I think it was you know some

862
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,860
article that came out I think it came

863
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,559
from Danny Chan so who knows but

864
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,360
um you know the thing the crafts are a

865
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,279
lot smaller from the outside and when

866
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:30,960
you get in they're a lot bigger so who

867
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,519
knows then you see a lot of those fake

868
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,380
like Frank saucer pictures from back in

869
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:36,240
the day and they're also small you know

870
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:45,049
maybe it is well yeah but my my dad what

871
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:46,260
he

872
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:58,140
saw too and it was really close to him

873
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,820
as well and it was like five of them

874
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,980
that saw this together and he had took a

875
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:04,320
photo of it and so you can see the the

876
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:07,559
perspective of like the headlights on

877
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,240
the street where you can see the cars

878
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:11,460
the tail lights and then you can see the

879
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,280
hydro pull or like the light pole and

880
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:17,280
then above the light pole is the the UFO

881
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:19,980
like it's 70s grain films so it's like

882
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,379
sure it looks like a Sunbeam yeah that

883
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,720
that's coming off like the UFO has light

884
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:26,280
but it's like a Sunbeam that it looks

885
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,720
like you can't see that it's metallic

886
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,760
but my dad said it was metallic and I

887
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,320
asked him and he was like Chrissy like

888
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,760
children could have only fit in this

889
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:35,280
thing that's how tiny it was wow and how

890
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,899
do you react to that when your dad tells

891
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,159
you something like that did you grow up

892
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,980
around that stuff or I did yeah when I

893
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:42,659
was a little girl my I always laughed

894
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:43,560
because I've been starting this photo

895
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,899
recently

896
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,520
always like you know you always get the

897
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,440
occasional hater that's like you don't

898
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,839
like UFOs and you're like no I'm like I

899
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,460
have since I've been a child so I have

900
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:55,020
to prove myself now which I

901
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,940
realistically no I don't have to but I

902
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,380
always laugh because I'm like so like

903
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,599
here's like a little photo of like me I

904
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,460
think I was like in grade seven or grade

905
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,160
eight like Elvis is 100 Elementary

906
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,740
School for picture day and I have a

907
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:09,480
little alien shirt on

908
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,300
foreign

909
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:13,680
and so I one day I'll post that on

910
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:14,700
social

911
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,500
um because I always laugh when I do

912
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,880
stuff in this I'm like little Chrissy

913
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:19,200
would be proud

914
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,980
um important I think that too yeah I'm

915
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,900
like and there's a whole reason for that

916
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,480
as we grow but you know for me I'm like

917
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,040
I've loved the topic but my dad got me

918
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:32,160
into it so I'm so used to I've I have my

919
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,960
own paradigm shift now that I'm going

920
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,579
through with all of this along with

921
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,160
really learning more for sure

922
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,320
um and and where I see my place and and

923
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:42,359
where I want to go with this topic in

924
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,980
context of contributing and what does it

925
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,900
mean to me and to my family and everyone

926
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,520
else around me

927
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,460
um but I also then think about like you

928
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:52,680
know the when I was younger like to me

929
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,260
it was like definitely aliens and it was

930
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,480
like that's what I I only knew and it

931
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:59,280
was I would watch documentaries but my

932
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,660
dad was teaching me all this stuff and

933
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:02,760
you'd only have access potentially to

934
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,220
like stories or stuff that people would

935
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,560
come and tell my dad and we'd all sit

936
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,119
together or his friends or people would

937
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,400
and we would talk about it or like

938
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:13,859
random information or you potentially go

939
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:16,440
to a conference so my dad and I started

940
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,940
going to conferences when I was about 25

941
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,280
and I remember I walked into one and I

942
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,380
was like these are our people and he

943
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:24,180
like laughed but I was like well it's

944
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,619
true it's a place where we can like talk

945
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,940
about this

946
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,740
um and he could and he like he's such a

947
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,540
geek he loves it uh he's such a geek

948
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,520
when it goes to those things I hasn't in

949
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:34,440
recent years but uh when we were when I

950
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:35,640
was younger we used to go a lot together

951
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,760
and so for me it's not so um it wasn't

952
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,619
back then it was just normal like I

953
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:42,540
always thought UFOs were real they were

954
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,560
not not real to me my entire childhood

955
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,720
UFOs have been real so and I'm happy

956
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,760
that I grew up in a place like that I

957
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:52,980
really am interesting because that's

958
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,320
like never never thinking the Tooth

959
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,480
Fairy wasn't real right because yeah

960
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:59,880
their story oh not the Tooth Fairy

961
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,859
specifically but for sure something like

962
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:03,720
that yeah

963
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,640
um but there's evidence that mounts you

964
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:07,079
know and then people are whistleblowers

965
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:08,760
nobody does that for the freaking Tooth

966
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:16,730
you got a tooth fairy at Los Alamos yeah

967
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,380
exactly Santa down the road you know

968
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,480
yeah

969
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,400
um so is that the other is that area 51

970
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:25,280
you know with his life

971
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:29,180
have you ever had a sighting

972
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,339
I've had um I've had experience I've had

973
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:34,380
an experience

974
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:37,140
um where I've like I've I talk about it

975
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:38,460
openly but I still don't know what it

976
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,920
was and I I had like yeah like a

977
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,960
paranormal experience and I'm still to

978
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,940
this day with a group of people uh too

979
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,280
there's there's three of us in total so

980
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:49,320
I still don't know what it is I've had

981
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,060
two experiences with an ex-boyfriend

982
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:54,660
that I I still think I could potentially

983
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:58,560
chop up to coincidences or weather or

984
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:00,300
something else

985
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:03,900
um so you know I still reflect back on

986
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,740
those and wonder a lot the more outside

987
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,420
of just the UFO experience that weird

988
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,880
paranormal experience I had yeah I still

989
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,440
um I still think about it I think about

990
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,040
it a lot actually in context to the UFO

991
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:19,020
experience because I when it happened

992
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:21,000
the first thing I thought people like is

993
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,859
that a ghost experience I'm like well it

994
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,140
could be in classification I said but I

995
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,720
don't think it was and you know and a

996
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,599
lot of people would you know

997
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,160
I've had some this has happened to

998
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:34,260
somebody else I was with when it he was

999
00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:35,820
with me as well it was actually my dad

1000
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:37,079
was with me when this happened funny

1001
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,160
enough

1002
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:40,800
um and uh my cousin's husband was with

1003
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,040
me and so all three of us saw it and it

1004
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,359
was just an experience that I still

1005
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,040
question every day

1006
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,859
um and I wonder like why the heck did

1007
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:51,839
that happen you know and I also wonder

1008
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,420
is that ability is it the ability to see

1009
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,940
it is the ability uh to be present for

1010
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:59,400
it like what what does that mean and why

1011
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,599
don't other people have those

1012
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,760
experiences every day

1013
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:04,740
um you know I I talk about being

1014
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:07,260
neurodivergent which I'm you know I'm

1015
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:08,760
dyslexic and I'm and I'm proud to be

1016
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:10,200
dyslexic in that way I guess you would

1017
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,280
say

1018
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,200
um you know I'm a high dyslexic when it

1019
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,599
comes to writing and reading but there

1020
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:17,400
are the ways that my brain operates it's

1021
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,079
different than being normal uh

1022
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,359
neurotypical and so that's why I talked

1023
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:23,280
about that with Gary Nolan because to me

1024
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,540
it was interesting with the top

1025
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:26,760
neurologist to talk about this as and

1026
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:27,960
it's someone that's experiencing

1027
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:28,859
something or has worked with

1028
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,280
experiencers uh why does neurodivergency

1029
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,619
play A Part potentially within that and

1030
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:36,119
that's something that he looked at as

1031
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:39,720
well yeah ADHD there you go so I wonder

1032
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:41,880
you know and um and there's tons of

1033
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,320
other people that are

1034
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:45,119
um Intel that I know that are dyslexic

1035
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:47,400
or neurodivergent I won't say who

1036
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,780
because I think that's up to them to

1037
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,000
talk about it no no no you gotta say it

1038
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:53,220
you gotta get it right last middle name

1039
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,140
address yeah right right so

1040
00:40:02,270 --> 00:39:59,820
we can figure out exactly how their

1041
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:02,280
brain operates but you know exactly and

1042
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,420
I think there's way there's obviously

1043
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,640
way more narrative people now or not

1044
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:07,920
realize that they're neurodivergent so I

1045
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:09,180
always joke around and call it my

1046
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,920
superpower because it really is it's

1047
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:13,680
helped me immensely just the part of my

1048
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,680
career that I'm in uh and stuff that I

1049
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:19,140
do and and helps me be open-minded as

1050
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:21,180
well I think doesn't mean that you can

1051
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,500
you don't have to be neurodivergent to

1052
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,540
be open-minded but I think that it helps

1053
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:26,460
me and it helps me problem solve really

1054
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,780
quickly because that's what being

1055
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,160
dyslexic

1056
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,160
um is people that are real good at so

1057
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:33,839
you know it's it's been an interesting

1058
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,920
ride

1059
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,540
um and hopefully we figure out that

1060
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,280
connection that cross connection one day

1061
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,380
and then maybe that will lead me down a

1062
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:42,660
road to understanding what potentially I

1063
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:45,839
ended up seeing years ago so yeah and I

1064
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:48,359
always think about how you know it's

1065
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,280
it's almost like

1066
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,440
sometimes it seems like the point of

1067
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,599
these experiences or whatever or even

1068
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,400
this government stuff for Blue Book

1069
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,560
files or whatever like the point almost

1070
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,960
seems sometimes to

1071
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,820
um just wonder and expand your

1072
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,099
boundaries of thought you know having

1073
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:07,200
this mystery that you've seen and

1074
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,060
experience but can't explain and don't

1075
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,520
know what it is kind of forces your mind

1076
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,260
to imagine all these different things

1077
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:15,780
and possible scenarios and I wonder if

1078
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,359
that's you know healthy to it to

1079
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,880
exercise that part of yourself and and

1080
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:23,400
maybe there's some you know

1081
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:24,300
um

1082
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,180
maybe that's a part of some of the

1083
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,060
reason you know people have these I find

1084
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,880
a lot of times people who really believe

1085
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:34,500
in the topic and that there's something

1086
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,359
there or maybe have for a while now I

1087
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,640
don't think this works with you but they

1088
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:41,040
often don't have any experiences you

1089
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:41,900
know

1090
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,820
why because they don't need to they're

1091
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:46,619
already there you know I wouldn't be

1092
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:49,560
here without that I was uh make fun of

1093
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,480
the show kind of guy the ghost shows on

1094
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,800
and they're like did you hear that I'm

1095
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,720
like oh yeah did you hear that okay

1096
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,839
buddy that's me you know and yeah like

1097
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:00,480
so little Sean looking at Sean now would

1098
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,700
be like what happened dude

1099
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,400
you were a musician you're you know what

1100
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,160
what's going on so it's just super weird

1101
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,099
but you know I'm enjoying it and you

1102
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,140
know I live enjoy life through it so it

1103
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:16,140
is what it is but yeah my um you know my

1104
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:17,579
dad like when my dad showed me that

1105
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:19,320
photo when I was a little girl like I

1106
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,700
always say like it sparked everything

1107
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,079
inside of me and I was like this is

1108
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:25,079
amazing and I like was in awe like it

1109
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,400
like saying like it legitly was

1110
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:29,099
Fantastical to me so I was like you know

1111
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:31,740
in At the Hop so but I never had an

1112
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,300
experience then but also it's someone

1113
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,280
that I really loved and obviously cared

1114
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,099
for and with my father and trusted that

1115
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:40,440
you know he why would he lie to me why

1116
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:42,060
would this be something if this meant so

1117
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:43,980
much to him right so sure I think

1118
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:45,000
there's there's obviously a cross

1119
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:46,920
connection there also like like a little

1120
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,920
sponge as a child you know seeing these

1121
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,200
these ideas and conversations are

1122
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,359
hearing them you know being talked about

1123
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,220
with his friends or people that he knew

1124
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,740
uh and being you know sitting at the

1125
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,960
table and listening and absorbing it so

1126
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,079
that's one part but when I was you know

1127
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,540
mine didn't happen until gosh my like

1128
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,579
mid-30s or like beginning I think it's

1129
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,040
between 30 and 35. so that's why I asked

1130
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,500
you about Age and and whatnot because

1131
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,839
that's what I looked at I was like whoa

1132
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,940
like why is this happening now to me

1133
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,740
like what's going on because you think

1134
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,540
like is this a mental thing or something

1135
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,660
like can you develop that it does it why

1136
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,400
in that point in time or when you said

1137
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:28,500
like is there something going on like

1138
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,880
um but then I actually asked that

1139
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,920
question when it happened and I you know

1140
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:33,300
asked it with a friend and they're like

1141
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,940
Chrissy you weren't by yourself you've

1142
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,700
always wanted somebody and so that means

1143
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,740
that like one other person would have

1144
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,180
had been going this through the same

1145
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,220
thing you were or there's two other

1146
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,599
people would have too and I said yeah

1147
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,880
that's a good point I've never had an

1148
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,980
experience like by myself it's always

1149
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,660
been with somebody else which is really

1150
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,819
great because then you can be like sure

1151
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,520
Andrew what was that or like you know

1152
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,680
you can have that commonality to have

1153
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,000
that discussion

1154
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,400
um and be able to like bounce off what

1155
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:04,500
was going on in each other's mind or

1156
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,640
experience when that was happening or

1157
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,859
what they ended up seeing too so yeah

1158
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,500
yeah but overall makes you wonder how

1159
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,440
many yeah yeah sorry say that again oh I

1160
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,400
was just gonna say it makes you wonder

1161
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:16,440
how many people have seen something and

1162
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,119
and won't say a freaking word because

1163
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,460
they saw it by themselves you know oh

1164
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,260
totally there's probably so many people

1165
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,000
or there's so many things that things

1166
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,280
happen and they're like it's probably

1167
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,319
not what it is I don't know yeah you

1168
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,000
just look at it and they walk away and

1169
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:32,400
they're like you know something about me

1170
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:35,060
and they're like yeah

1171
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:37,619
I gotta read every freaking Blue Book

1172
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:40,750
file that ever was made in history

1173
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:45,119
[Laughter]

1174
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:47,400
something new about UFO history I'm like

1175
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:51,060
what it what like I had to die like

1176
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:53,160
really deep dive and uh dis and

1177
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,540
misinformation campaigns with the

1178
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,480
government from yeah

1179
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,980
what did you find

1180
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:01,859
I did research for three months from

1181
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:04,619
just like the multiple press conferences

1182
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,500
they had the Armstrong Donald Kehoe and

1183
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,300
the censorship for the on strong Circle

1184
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,400
Theater when she went on and spoke about

1185
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,260
and they cut him off so I look at that

1186
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,359
as a form of censorship

1187
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:16,560
um and then just getting into like

1188
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,599
breaking down the condom report you know

1189
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,160
and reading it and looking at what they

1190
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:22,980
suggested as like PR and as a publicist

1191
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:26,400
and a PR person I was like wow this is

1192
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:29,700
hyper wrong and Hyper illegal now but

1193
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:32,040
breaking down and then I did in my

1194
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,900
presentation for contact in the desert I

1195
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,760
did the what it would look like today of

1196
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,680
a version of economy report and what we

1197
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,880
can see from a public relations

1198
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,920
perspective yeah I thought that was

1199
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,720
really interesting even just like

1200
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,119
talking to Tim McMillan yeah and talking

1201
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,880
to Tim where we chatted about

1202
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,220
um what what our Miss and disinformation

1203
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:52,020
campaigns so that people could have a

1204
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,300
better understanding of them and then

1205
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:55,980
one I thought was really interesting

1206
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:58,380
that he told me outside of the UFO topic

1207
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,839
I believe it was World War One

1208
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:02,760
um they were talking about

1209
00:46:07,329 --> 00:46:04,980
how carrots were really good for your

1210
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,339
eyes and that was like

1211
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:09,780
totally wrong that's actually like

1212
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,140
misinformed I know right I did the same

1213
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:15,359
thing no I know that because I freaking

1214
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,490
but I believe that was supposed to be I

1215
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,240
forget example exactly and I'd have to

1216
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:31,920
watch it again but was

1217
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:34,740
um leaked to supposed to be to confuse

1218
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,560
the or the foreign adversary and it was

1219
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,960
done but it was put into the general

1220
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,640
populace but everybody believed that

1221
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,260
eating carrots would make your eyes

1222
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,300
stronger and better like there's

1223
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,460
probably like maybe a bit of like

1224
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:49,500
everything is a vitamin A vegetable oil

1225
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:51,660
right in general but yeah that's

1226
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:54,720
misinformation it's not true so it's

1227
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:56,099
like saying cigarettes are good for

1228
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,540
stress well they are but yeah exactly

1229
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:03,119
are extremely bad for your lungs yeah

1230
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,460
right and I also funny said you said

1231
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:08,400
cigarettes because I start off with my

1232
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,400
uh my presentation with the Godfather of

1233
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:14,520
PR which is Edwards who created it and

1234
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,680
his first campaign was down on a

1235
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:18,720
counterculture which was a group of

1236
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:21,240
women that was done on the the youth the

1237
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:23,819
furman's Women's First Liberation

1238
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:27,540
movement and used that as a PRK campaign

1239
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,599
to get women smoking so what they do I

1240
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,760
know so he used to Counter Culture

1241
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,760
Liberation Liberation movement to yeah

1242
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,619
to get more people smoking so that they

1243
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:39,540
could make more money because back then

1244
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:41,160
it was really taboo for women to smoke

1245
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:43,380
and so what they did was use the Easter

1246
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:45,900
perky what he did was got lucky lucky

1247
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,260
striped cigarettes and had women smoking

1248
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,480
in the Easter parade and saying that it

1249
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,240
was their right to smoke to increase

1250
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:57,240
sales wow yeah so I use that as a

1251
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,300
comparison right well right and I use

1252
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,700
that as a comparison to the UFO topic

1253
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,619
because I do believe some people will

1254
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:06,599
think it's a subculture but I consider

1255
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:09,000
the UFO topic a counterculture because

1256
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:10,560
it's a movement it's a movement of

1257
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,119
people a movement and of ideologies

1258
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:14,520
that's trying to change and adjust than

1259
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,160
the norm so we have to be mindful that

1260
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,380
PR people government you know public

1261
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:21,180
affairs can take counterculture

1262
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:22,619
movements and use it to their own

1263
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:24,920
advantages

1264
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,960
what they could do maybe artificial

1265
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,420
intelligence you know something well

1266
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:33,180
possibly I don't know you know and I

1267
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:34,500
think that's stuff that we would have to

1268
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,319
look at like what is the most extreme to

1269
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,540
basic that people could do and

1270
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,160
potentially again within the law and

1271
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:43,020
with outside the law

1272
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:45,480
um but the other thing though too is

1273
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,099
that misinformation and disinformation

1274
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:50,220
is legal in political campaigns it's

1275
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,560
against the law for uh certain agencies

1276
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:54,599
within the government to do it but it's

1277
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,420
not against the law for politicians to

1278
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,099
use it in their campaigns to run for

1279
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:02,520
presidency or anything else yeah so

1280
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,619
um real quick where can people find you

1281
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:06,720
and

1282
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,000
um what are you up to next for sure uh

1283
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,520
people can find me on Twitter at Chrissy

1284
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,160
Newton or on Instagram at being Chrissy

1285
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,800
Newton uh they can read all the work and

1286
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
watch my podcast uh YouTube channels uh

1287
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:20,880
the debrief and then you can go to the

1288
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,339
debrief.org to read all of our written

1289
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,380
work or journalistic work

1290
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,940
um and yeah for next is just I'm going

1291
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,520
to be interviewing Mick West soon so

1292
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,960
that will be interesting and I'm going

1293
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,460
to try and have some more politicians on

1294
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,780
my show you know I've been lucky to talk

1295
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,760
to you yeah

1296
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:37,619
um you know Timber shot I think it was

1297
00:49:40,809 --> 00:49:38,940
maybe a little bit harder on than I

1298
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:40,819
usually am with some of my guests

1299
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:43,020
there are a couple interviews where you

1300
00:49:49,550 --> 00:49:44,819
where you were taking it you were you

1301
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,010
because I

1302
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:54,240
I feel like I believe all this I agree

1303
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,800
with all this you don't have to ask

1304
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,599
questions too and

1305
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:59,220
um and I think that that's fair I think

1306
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,540
and all those questions I think were

1307
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,880
fair to them you know I'm not supposed

1308
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:05,160
to you know people would think well I

1309
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,839
just have to prop up the story because

1310
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:08,640
it's part of the debrief I'm like my job

1311
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,619
was to help clarify

1312
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,000
um yeah and and that's what part of it

1313
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,400
is and also Ralph and Leslie were the

1314
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:16,079
reporters on that story we were just the

1315
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,180
outlet Distributing it so I was trying

1316
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,460
to do my due diligence but you know I'm

1317
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:22,920
like I you know I overall I do think

1318
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,359
there's something going on I just don't

1319
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:26,700
know what it is tonight we go after a

1320
00:50:29,110 --> 00:50:27,960
fantastic story

1321
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:29,120
foreign